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Re: SFW is not for the average sportsmen

Post by ABert » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:26 pm

Nice post, Brett! Not sure I went through all the stages or just dipped my toe in a couple of them but I know which one I'm in now and it sure is rewarding!

As for the original topic of this post, I really don't have a horse in the race. All I can say is when Colorado did away with OTC tags statewide for deer things seemed to get better. Much better.
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Post by #1DEER 1-I » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:18 pm

MuleyMadness wrote:Now your telling me what 'I think', this conversation is going nowhere fast. You crack me up bud. I have a few questions for you.
1. How old are you?
2. How many deer have you killed and what size?
3. Why do you claim to be an authority on the subject? Why do you think YOUR opinion is correct on all these matters and no one else has any idea what they are talking about?
4. Last but not least (see below) which STAGE are you currently in?

FIVE STAGES OF A HUNTER

Hunters change through the years. Factors used to determine
"successful hunting" change as well for each hunter. A hunter's age,
role models, and his years of hunting experience affect his ideas of
"success."

Many hunters may fit into one of the following five groups. In
1975-1980, groups of over 1,000 hunters in Wisconsin were studied,
surveyed, and written about by Professors Robert Jackson and Robert
Norton, University of Wisconsin-La Crosse. The results of their
studies form a widely accepted theory of hunter behavior and
development. Where are you now? Where would you like to be?

SHOOTER STAGE

The hunter talks about satisfaction with hunting being closely tied to
being able to "get shooting." Often the beginning duck hunter will
relate he had an excellent day if he got in a lot of shooting. The
beginning deer hunter will talk about the number of shooting
opportunities. Missing game means little to hunters in this phase. A
beginning hunter wants to pull the trigger and test the capability of
his firearm. A hunter in this stage may be a dangerous hunting
partner.

LIMITING OUT STAGE

A hunter still talks about satisfaction gained from shooting. But what
seems more important is measuring success through the killing of game
and the number of birds or animals shot. Limiting out, or filling a
tag, is the absolute measure. Do not let your desire to limit out be
stronger than the need for safe behavior at all times.

TROPHY STAGE

Satisfaction is described in terms of selectivity of game. A duck
hunter might take only greenheads. A deer hunter looks for one special
deer. A hunter might travel far to find a real trophy animal. Shooting
opportunity and skills become less important.

METHOD STAGE

This hunter has all the special equipment. Hunting has become one of
the most important things in his life. Satisfaction comes from the
method that enables the hunter to take game. Taking game is important,
but second to how it is taken. This hunter will study long and hard
how best to pick a blind site, lay out decoys, and call in
waterfowl. A deer hunter will go one on one with a white-tailed deer,
studying sign, tracking, and the life habits of the deer. Often, the
hunter will handicap himself by hunting only with black powder
firearms or bow and arrow. Bagging game, or limiting, still is
understood as being a necessary part of the hunt during this phase.

SPORTSMAN STAGE

As a hunter ages and after many years of hunting, he "mellows out."
Satisfaction now can be found in the total hunting experience. Being
in the field, enjoying the company of friends and family, and seeing
nature outweigh the need for taking game.

Not all hunters go through all the stages, or go through them in that
particular order. It is also possible for hunters who pursue several
species of game to be in different stages with regard to each
species. Some hunters feel that role models of good sportsmen,
training, or reading books or magazines helped them pass more quickly
through some stages.
The problem is none of those questions are relevant to the conversation, you're changing the subject and trying to use irrelevant questions to prove what point? You bring up antler size in your previous post then deny what you are interested in, trophy quality. Trophy mentality is what has driven hunting to a real money and politics game. It isn't in the end going to be good for the sport. Odd how buck numbers have grown substantially the last few years and SFW still doesn't want to let more tags out, but instead are pushing for higher:buck doe ratios on general units. General units as of last year were headed for odds of 50% chance with one point, we gave a little, now we'll give a lot. One point used to guarantee you a tag on a GS unit, there's a good possibility you'll wait another year for that opportunity now. I love big bucks too, but they're always around you just have to look for them and be dedicated enough to find them, suppressing tag numbers isn't necessary in most cases, unless of course your management thoughts are more big bucks and bucks around every corner. We can control the amount of bucks we see easily, the more complicated part is controlling the deer population itself, which we are failing to do a good job of.
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Re: SFW is not for the average sportsmen

Post by MuleyMadness » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:37 pm

All of my questions are VERY relevant to the subject matter actually, I'm not surprised at all you didn't answer any of them. Some how I knew you wouldn't. I have NEVER denied my interests in hunting, you have NO CLUE who I am or my interests or intent. But thanks for telling me what I believe in again. If you think I'm all about TROPHY mentality, THINK again cause your wrong...dead wrong. All you want to do is argue and force your ideas/agenda upon others with no concern for anyone else's viewpoint but your own.

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MuleyMadness wrote:All of my questions are VERY relevant to the subject matter actually, I'm not surprised at all you didn't answer any of them. Some how I knew you wouldn't. I have NEVER denied my interests in hunting, you have NO CLUE who I am or my interests or intent. But thanks for telling me what I believe in again. If you think I'm all about TROPHY mentality, THINK again cause your wrong...dead wrong. All you want to do is argue and force your ideas/agenda upon others with no concern for anyone else's viewpoint but your own.
Keep telling yourself that.
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Post by #1DEER 1-I » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:21 pm

But I bet we can agree on more than we disagree. From your post your right I don't know you personally I just know how you posted. Most don't like how I come across, I haven't learned to care yet. But I think we would agree on far more things than we disagree.
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Re: SFW is not for the average sportsmen

Post by a_bow_nut » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:59 pm

Were you banned over on the UWN again?

Is that why your over here spewing your rhetoric hoping to find somebody to argue with?
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a_bow_nut wrote:Were you banned over on the UWN again?

Is that why your over here spewing your rhetoric hoping to find somebody to argue with?
Nope not banned just spewing rhetoric
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Re: SFW is not for the average sportsmen

Post by mapleton archer » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:11 am

Brett,

Since he wont answer your questions i am going to answer them for him:

1. How old is he-----15
2. How many deer have you killed and what size?--------2 a spike and a two point
3. Why do you claim to be an authority on the subject? Why do you think YOUR opinion is correct on all these matters and no one else has any idea what they are talking about?----------------Because i read it on the internet and i know its true!
4. Last but not least (see below) which STAGE are you currently in? Limiting out Stage. I always get my buck. sometimes wounding three or four others but i always fill my tag.

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Post by MuleyMadness » Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:32 am

Since he wont answer your questions i am going to answer them for him:

1. How old is he-----15
2. How many deer have you killed and what size?--------2 a spike and a two point
3. Why do you claim to be an authority on the subject? Why do you think YOUR opinion is correct on all these matters and no one else has any idea what they are talking about?----------------Because i read it on the internet and i know its true!
4. Last but not least (see below) which STAGE are you currently in? Limiting out Stage. I always get my buck. sometimes wounding three or four others but i always fill my tag.
lol - I needed a good laugh today - Thanks!!

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Re: SFW is not for the average sportsmen

Post by MuleyMadness » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:17 pm

Hot off the press just released from Utah's DWR...look what's helping Utah's deer herds in part of course...did they just mention predator control as helping too??? How dare they or SFW say such a thing. :)
Why are deer doing so well?

Shannon says several factors have combined to help Utah's deer herds:

At the top of the list are mild winters that have allowed deer to survive until the following spring.
The DWR and its partners have conducted many long-term habitat projects. Those projects are starting to pay off by providing deer with better habitat.Highway fencing, underpasses that allow deer to cross safely under roads, predator control and other management actions are helping too. "We're really excited," Shannon says. "Utah's deer herds are in the best shape they've been in since the early 1990s."

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