Hey thanks for the tip. I know the Snowcrest range and Gravelly ranges get a ton of elk huntin pressure. Seems like i run into the same problems either a tough tag to draw or the game stays on private land. My home state of Idaho has some great MD hunts, put of course tags are hard to get. I've been trying for 10 years on a so so MD hunt. Idaho doesn't draw on a point system, so I may never draw a tag. I'm bound and determined to go out of state and hunt, but i'm having a hard time forking out money for 10-17 years to get enough points to draw a quality tag. I"m not picky. I'm looking for 150-170 class bucks. I"ve been fortunate enough to kill some really nice bulls, but my garage is full of small 3 and 4 point bucks. So back to the drawing board. I"ve found it really hard to go out of state and figure out were to hunt, so thanks for everyones input. Its priceless.